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	<title>Comments on: More thoughts on the W mass</title>
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		<title>By: Not Even Wrong &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Various Stuff</title>
		<link>http://dorigo.wordpress.com/2007/01/05/more-thoughts-on-the-w-mass/#comment-23693</link>
		<dc:creator>Not Even Wrong &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Various Stuff</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 12 Jan 2007 02:17:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] out of the Tevatron, including a new, more accurate value of the W-mass. See for instance here, here, here, and here. About the new W-mass measurement, there&#8217;s also a Fermilab press release, and [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] out of the Tevatron, including a new, more accurate value of the W-mass. See for instance here, here, here, and here. About the new W-mass measurement, there&#8217;s also a Fermilab press release, and [...]</p>
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		<title>By: dorigo</title>
		<link>http://dorigo.wordpress.com/2007/01/05/more-thoughts-on-the-w-mass/#comment-22272</link>
		<dc:creator>dorigo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 06 Jan 2007 22:16:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Markk,

what I mean is that what we define as &quot;the W mass&quot; and measure in different environments, and which then compare and combine into a &quot;world average&quot; or play tricks with (such as throwing it into a global fitter of electroweak parameters) is not necessarily a perfectly well defined quantity. Not because it is the peak of a breit wigner distribution, which is sufficiently honest to me for a foulproof definition. Rather, because it might - just might, although I do not believe it - happen that the same particle will exhibit a different behavior in the different environments, because of different physics surrounding the particle.
Of course, in the case of the W mass this is unlikely. It was just an example...
In the case of quarks, things are indeed more complex, with &quot;mass&quot; just not being enough for a description of what one measures. In a linear collider the mass reconstructed from the excitation curve as a function of sqrt(s) will rightly be different from that extracted from kinematic fits...
Cheers,
T.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Markk,</p>
<p>what I mean is that what we define as &#8220;the W mass&#8221; and measure in different environments, and which then compare and combine into a &#8220;world average&#8221; or play tricks with (such as throwing it into a global fitter of electroweak parameters) is not necessarily a perfectly well defined quantity. Not because it is the peak of a breit wigner distribution, which is sufficiently honest to me for a foulproof definition. Rather, because it might &#8211; just might, although I do not believe it &#8211; happen that the same particle will exhibit a different behavior in the different environments, because of different physics surrounding the particle.<br />
Of course, in the case of the W mass this is unlikely. It was just an example&#8230;<br />
In the case of quarks, things are indeed more complex, with &#8220;mass&#8221; just not being enough for a description of what one measures. In a linear collider the mass reconstructed from the excitation curve as a function of sqrt(s) will rightly be different from that extracted from kinematic fits&#8230;<br />
Cheers,<br />
T.</p>
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		<title>By: Markk</title>
		<link>http://dorigo.wordpress.com/2007/01/05/more-thoughts-on-the-w-mass/#comment-22269</link>
		<dc:creator>Markk</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 06 Jan 2007 21:37:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I am not quite getting “imperfect definition of the quantity being measured”. Are you talking experimental or intrisinic? Is it the fact that different experiments are measuring different things in different circumstances - LEP certainly a different environment than CDF, with maybe different values for the mass in those environments (I don&#039;t mean experimental error here) or is it the fact that the W mass isn&#039;t a &quot;single valued quantity&quot; but rather something we measure out a of distribution all the time - no matter the experiment done to measure it. Or both since obviously both can be true.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am not quite getting “imperfect definition of the quantity being measured”. Are you talking experimental or intrisinic? Is it the fact that different experiments are measuring different things in different circumstances &#8211; LEP certainly a different environment than CDF, with maybe different values for the mass in those environments (I don&#8217;t mean experimental error here) or is it the fact that the W mass isn&#8217;t a &#8220;single valued quantity&#8221; but rather something we measure out a of distribution all the time &#8211; no matter the experiment done to measure it. Or both since obviously both can be true.</p>
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		<title>By: agm</title>
		<link>http://dorigo.wordpress.com/2007/01/05/more-thoughts-on-the-w-mass/#comment-19377</link>
		<dc:creator>agm</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 22 Dec 2006 15:12:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If the W boson is a Brit, does that make the Higgs a &lt;a href=&quot;http://imdb.com/title/tt0208092/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Pikey&lt;/a&gt;?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If the W boson is a Brit, does that make the Higgs a <a href="http://imdb.com/title/tt0208092/" rel="nofollow">Pikey</a>?</p>
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