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		<title>By: Borborigmi di un fisico renitente &#187; Qualcuno ha visto il bosone di Higgs?</title>
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		<dc:creator>Borborigmi di un fisico renitente &#187; Qualcuno ha visto il bosone di Higgs?</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 19 Jan 2007 20:23:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] avuto qualche sospetto leggendo questo post dal tono un po&#8217; misterioso, e orecchiando qua è la i pettegolezzi che circolano al CERN. Poi sono cominciate ad arrivare le [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] avuto qualche sospetto leggendo questo post dal tono un po&#8217; misterioso, e orecchiando qua è la i pettegolezzi che circolano al CERN. Poi sono cominciate ad arrivare le [...]</p>
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		<title>By: dorigo</title>
		<link>http://dorigo.wordpress.com/2007/01/09/smelling-the-higgs/#comment-23774</link>
		<dc:creator>dorigo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 12 Jan 2007 09:14:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Alex,

your question is meaningful. Indeed, the new scientist article wrote something only half true: it is true in fact that the Tevatron has higher chances to discover the Higgs when the latter has a small mass - therefore, between 115 GeV (the lower limit by direct experimental searches) and, say, 140 or 150 GeV. That is because we know that if the Higgs boson exists it is produced at a small rate at the Tevatron, and this rate goes down with increasing mass. Easier to see it at low mass therefore.

But this is only half of the story. In fact, the plot you see above does extend to 200 GeV, where CDF and D0 can indeed still search for the Higgs. Chances are not great there, since the rate is smaller; but on the other hand, the signature we know the Higgs displays if its mass is 160 GeV (say) is much more spectacular than if its mass is 120. In the former case it decays mostly to two W bosons, and backgrounds from competing processes are not large. In the latter case the signature is less clean and backgrounds are way larger.

To see a Higgs, the Tevatron must collect lots of data, probably all it can until 2009. By that time, the CMS and ATLAS experiments at the LHC (a similar accelerator, only 7 times more powerful) will also be looking for that particle - but they will have a reversed situation: no rate problems, but huge backgrounds at low mass, and they will be luckier if the Higgs is heavier.

So, in a nutshell, the Tevatron hopes that the Higgs is light - to have a chance to nail it down before the LHC does, even if there will be a time period when both facilities will be chasing the particle simultaneously. However, the Tevatron does have chances to find it nonetheless all the way to 180 GeV, as the plot above suggests.

To answer your last question: yes, although we have not found the higgs yet, we do know everything possible about it. We know how it decays, we know how frequently it is produced. We have Monte Carlo simulations which tell us what to look for and how to distinguish it from backgrounds. That is why we do know if we find one!

Cheers,
T.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Alex,</p>
<p>your question is meaningful. Indeed, the new scientist article wrote something only half true: it is true in fact that the Tevatron has higher chances to discover the Higgs when the latter has a small mass &#8211; therefore, between 115 GeV (the lower limit by direct experimental searches) and, say, 140 or 150 GeV. That is because we know that if the Higgs boson exists it is produced at a small rate at the Tevatron, and this rate goes down with increasing mass. Easier to see it at low mass therefore.</p>
<p>But this is only half of the story. In fact, the plot you see above does extend to 200 GeV, where CDF and D0 can indeed still search for the Higgs. Chances are not great there, since the rate is smaller; but on the other hand, the signature we know the Higgs displays if its mass is 160 GeV (say) is much more spectacular than if its mass is 120. In the former case it decays mostly to two W bosons, and backgrounds from competing processes are not large. In the latter case the signature is less clean and backgrounds are way larger.</p>
<p>To see a Higgs, the Tevatron must collect lots of data, probably all it can until 2009. By that time, the CMS and ATLAS experiments at the LHC (a similar accelerator, only 7 times more powerful) will also be looking for that particle &#8211; but they will have a reversed situation: no rate problems, but huge backgrounds at low mass, and they will be luckier if the Higgs is heavier.</p>
<p>So, in a nutshell, the Tevatron hopes that the Higgs is light &#8211; to have a chance to nail it down before the LHC does, even if there will be a time period when both facilities will be chasing the particle simultaneously. However, the Tevatron does have chances to find it nonetheless all the way to 180 GeV, as the plot above suggests.</p>
<p>To answer your last question: yes, although we have not found the higgs yet, we do know everything possible about it. We know how it decays, we know how frequently it is produced. We have Monte Carlo simulations which tell us what to look for and how to distinguish it from backgrounds. That is why we do know if we find one!</p>
<p>Cheers,<br />
T.</p>
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		<title>By: Alexander W. Janssen</title>
		<link>http://dorigo.wordpress.com/2007/01/09/smelling-the-higgs/#comment-23655</link>
		<dc:creator>Alexander W. Janssen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Jan 2007 23:12:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>A question from an uninitiated: I just read at New Scientist[1] that Higgs is in the range of the Tevatron and that you expect to find it somewhere in between 114 and 153 GeV. Your scale goes way beyond 190 GeV and you apparently did some measurements...
The article says either the Tevatron finds Higgs or &quot;physicists will be forced to look beyond the Standard Model of particle physics&quot;.
Since you&#039;re digging for something yet unseen I ask myself (I&#039;m not a physicist) how do you actually know that you&#039;ve found one? I know that you&#039;re looking for decay-patterns, do you know how one of those would actually look like? Would you actually be able to detect it at all, if it exists?

Sorry for those stupid questions, I&#039;m just curious :)

And carry on with your blog. Although I don&#039;t understand everything I love your style of writing.

Cheers, Alex.

[1] http://www.newscientisttech.com/article/dn10909-the-higgs-boson-just-got-lighter.html</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A question from an uninitiated: I just read at New Scientist[1] that Higgs is in the range of the Tevatron and that you expect to find it somewhere in between 114 and 153 GeV. Your scale goes way beyond 190 GeV and you apparently did some measurements&#8230;<br />
The article says either the Tevatron finds Higgs or &#8220;physicists will be forced to look beyond the Standard Model of particle physics&#8221;.<br />
Since you&#8217;re digging for something yet unseen I ask myself (I&#8217;m not a physicist) how do you actually know that you&#8217;ve found one? I know that you&#8217;re looking for decay-patterns, do you know how one of those would actually look like? Would you actually be able to detect it at all, if it exists?</p>
<p>Sorry for those stupid questions, I&#8217;m just curious <img src='http://s.wordpress.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>And carry on with your blog. Although I don&#8217;t understand everything I love your style of writing.</p>
<p>Cheers, Alex.</p>
<p>[1] <a href="http://www.newscientisttech.com/article/dn10909-the-higgs-boson-just-got-lighter.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.newscientisttech.com/article/dn10909-the-higgs-boson-just-got-lighter.html</a></p>
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		<title>By: Not Even Wrong &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Various Stuff</title>
		<link>http://dorigo.wordpress.com/2007/01/09/smelling-the-higgs/#comment-23563</link>
		<dc:creator>Not Even Wrong &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Various Stuff</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Jan 2007 18:16:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] including a new, more accurate value of the W-mass. See for instance here, here, here, and here. About the new W-mass measurement, there&#8217;s also a Fermilab press release, and an article in [...]</description>
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