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	<title>Comments on: The Higgs rumor spreads again</title>
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		<title>By: MSSM Higgs at 160 GeV: one more piece of non-evidence &#171; A Quantum Diaries Survivor</title>
		<link>http://dorigo.wordpress.com/2007/06/05/the-higgs-rumor-spreads-again/#comment-66722</link>
		<dc:creator>MSSM Higgs at 160 GeV: one more piece of non-evidence &#171; A Quantum Diaries Survivor</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 27 Aug 2007 09:43:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: dorigo</title>
		<link>http://dorigo.wordpress.com/2007/06/05/the-higgs-rumor-spreads-again/#comment-59652</link>
		<dc:creator>dorigo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Jul 2007 08:24:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Erik,

I did get some d0 folks upset by posting about it. Let&#039;s say that they would be happy to deny me a position if I applied at their institution. But it does not stop there, because there are a lot of people out there who do not like what I have been doing. Some of them are influential physicists. I got some indirect hints that I should stop blogging altogether. But I think what I do is useful, interesting, and I like doing it, so the hell with that.

No, I disagree about the marking time argument - if nothing comes out during this summer (and it isn&#039;t) at conferences, it was quite probably a wild rumor based on some first look at new data before taking into account some subtle bias. That is exactly why many think this &quot;rumor spreading&quot; is bad for science. I think it is not, but it is beyond the point.

Cheers,
T.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Erik,</p>
<p>I did get some d0 folks upset by posting about it. Let&#8217;s say that they would be happy to deny me a position if I applied at their institution. But it does not stop there, because there are a lot of people out there who do not like what I have been doing. Some of them are influential physicists. I got some indirect hints that I should stop blogging altogether. But I think what I do is useful, interesting, and I like doing it, so the hell with that.</p>
<p>No, I disagree about the marking time argument &#8211; if nothing comes out during this summer (and it isn&#8217;t) at conferences, it was quite probably a wild rumor based on some first look at new data before taking into account some subtle bias. That is exactly why many think this &#8220;rumor spreading&#8221; is bad for science. I think it is not, but it is beyond the point.</p>
<p>Cheers,<br />
T.</p>
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		<title>By: impunv</title>
		<link>http://dorigo.wordpress.com/2007/06/05/the-higgs-rumor-spreads-again/#comment-59600</link>
		<dc:creator>impunv</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Jul 2007 00:48:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>There is no Higgs. See my blog 

Click on 
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impunv.blogspot.com

Political blog
randomabsurdities.wordpress.com

for explanation. Ignore the politics unless you like nasty remarks about Bush.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There is no Higgs. See my blog </p>
<p>Click on<br />
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Science blog<br />
impunv.wordpress.com<br />
or<br />
impunv.blogspot.com</p>
<p>Political blog<br />
randomabsurdities.wordpress.com</p>
<p>for explanation. Ignore the politics unless you like nasty remarks about Bush.</p>
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		<title>By: Erik</title>
		<link>http://dorigo.wordpress.com/2007/06/05/the-higgs-rumor-spreads-again/#comment-59597</link>
		<dc:creator>Erik</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Jul 2007 00:34:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Just curious if your role in spreading this rumour will have a negative impact on your scientific career.  Will CDF and other collaborators be unwilling to accept you as a collaborator for fear that you will leak information on your blog?  

There does seem to be something to the rumour.  Every day we don&#039;t hear something makes it more likely that the bump is real.  If this turns out to be the case, there is little chance that it is the Higgs. A mass of 180 GeV is just too big.   It&#039;s much more likely to be something else, most likely one of the superpartners.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Just curious if your role in spreading this rumour will have a negative impact on your scientific career.  Will CDF and other collaborators be unwilling to accept you as a collaborator for fear that you will leak information on your blog?  </p>
<p>There does seem to be something to the rumour.  Every day we don&#8217;t hear something makes it more likely that the bump is real.  If this turns out to be the case, there is little chance that it is the Higgs. A mass of 180 GeV is just too big.   It&#8217;s much more likely to be something else, most likely one of the superpartners.</p>
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		<title>By: dorigo</title>
		<link>http://dorigo.wordpress.com/2007/06/05/the-higgs-rumor-spreads-again/#comment-59569</link>
		<dc:creator>dorigo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Jul 2007 21:33:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>And I now realize I did not answer your former comment, now a month old. Well, yes, science works by letting us in a new room with new doors on the opposite end. We never seem to get to the bottom of it. But I, for one, would indeed like to see the bottom of it. If I knew everything about how the universe works, I think I could die with a smile.

Cheers,
T.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>And I now realize I did not answer your former comment, now a month old. Well, yes, science works by letting us in a new room with new doors on the opposite end. We never seem to get to the bottom of it. But I, for one, would indeed like to see the bottom of it. If I knew everything about how the universe works, I think I could die with a smile.</p>
<p>Cheers,<br />
T.</p>
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		<title>By: dorigo</title>
		<link>http://dorigo.wordpress.com/2007/06/05/the-higgs-rumor-spreads-again/#comment-59567</link>
		<dc:creator>dorigo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Jul 2007 21:30:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hello Andy,

Dennis Overbye is an excellent science writer, and he understood that he needed to be careful... He interviewed several players and his article is indeed accurate and interesting.

Cheers,
T.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hello Andy,</p>
<p>Dennis Overbye is an excellent science writer, and he understood that he needed to be careful&#8230; He interviewed several players and his article is indeed accurate and interesting.</p>
<p>Cheers,<br />
T.</p>
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		<title>By: Andy Feehan</title>
		<link>http://dorigo.wordpress.com/2007/06/05/the-higgs-rumor-spreads-again/#comment-59529</link>
		<dc:creator>Andy Feehan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Jul 2007 17:31:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi, Tomasso,

You guys are getting some good press. I read the NY Times article today, and I&#039;m glad the author translated what you do into layman&#039;s language. Good luck on the Quest.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi, Tomasso,</p>
<p>You guys are getting some good press. I read the NY Times article today, and I&#8217;m glad the author translated what you do into layman&#8217;s language. Good luck on the Quest.</p>
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		<title>By: Andy Feehan</title>
		<link>http://dorigo.wordpress.com/2007/06/05/the-higgs-rumor-spreads-again/#comment-49849</link>
		<dc:creator>Andy Feehan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 19 Jun 2007 14:19:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi, Dorigo,

I don&#039;t wish to discourage anyone from searching for the theory of everything. I simply wonder if it isn&#039;t likely that no matter how far we look, finding answers along the way, perhaps each answer will forever lead to another question. If it did not, would we not be disappointed? 

It is in the best part of our nature to wonder. May we always follow virtue and knowledge.

Thanks,

Andy</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi, Dorigo,</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t wish to discourage anyone from searching for the theory of everything. I simply wonder if it isn&#8217;t likely that no matter how far we look, finding answers along the way, perhaps each answer will forever lead to another question. If it did not, would we not be disappointed? </p>
<p>It is in the best part of our nature to wonder. May we always follow virtue and knowledge.</p>
<p>Thanks,</p>
<p>Andy</p>
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		<title>By: dorigo</title>
		<link>http://dorigo.wordpress.com/2007/06/05/the-higgs-rumor-spreads-again/#comment-49741</link>
		<dc:creator>dorigo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 19 Jun 2007 10:57:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Andy,

thanks for visiting. Yes, it is possible that physics will never solve the puzzle of the theory of everything. Current candidates, in fact, are like the Undead of 3rd category movies...

I however disagree with your statement that we would be insulting anything, our mind or our god, if we found the ultimate answer. First of all, I do think there is an answer. And second, I think it is both possible and necessary for mankind to try and find it. As Dante puts it, &quot;Fatte non foste a viver come bruti, ma per seguir virtute e canoscenza&quot;.

Cheers,
T.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Andy,</p>
<p>thanks for visiting. Yes, it is possible that physics will never solve the puzzle of the theory of everything. Current candidates, in fact, are like the Undead of 3rd category movies&#8230;</p>
<p>I however disagree with your statement that we would be insulting anything, our mind or our god, if we found the ultimate answer. First of all, I do think there is an answer. And second, I think it is both possible and necessary for mankind to try and find it. As Dante puts it, &#8220;Fatte non foste a viver come bruti, ma per seguir virtute e canoscenza&#8221;.</p>
<p>Cheers,<br />
T.</p>
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		<title>By: Andy Feehan</title>
		<link>http://dorigo.wordpress.com/2007/06/05/the-higgs-rumor-spreads-again/#comment-49732</link>
		<dc:creator>Andy Feehan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 19 Jun 2007 10:23:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m an American artist living in Europe. I have only a layman&#039;s knowledge of what you guys are doing, but I am sure you are doing the most exciting kind of science. Even so, it seems to me that your search will continue ad infinitum. It&#039;s a mystery. If we could get to the bottom of it all, it would be both an insult to our minds and to god or whatever you want to call her.

I love this dictum, attributed to Nicolas of Cusa, but probably is much older: &quot;Deus est sphaera infinita cujus centrum est ubique circumfrentia nusquam. &quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m an American artist living in Europe. I have only a layman&#8217;s knowledge of what you guys are doing, but I am sure you are doing the most exciting kind of science. Even so, it seems to me that your search will continue ad infinitum. It&#8217;s a mystery. If we could get to the bottom of it all, it would be both an insult to our minds and to god or whatever you want to call her.</p>
<p>I love this dictum, attributed to Nicolas of Cusa, but probably is much older: &#8220;Deus est sphaera infinita cujus centrum est ubique circumfrentia nusquam. &#8220;</p>
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		<title>By: matt</title>
		<link>http://dorigo.wordpress.com/2007/06/05/the-higgs-rumor-spreads-again/#comment-49512</link>
		<dc:creator>matt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 18 Jun 2007 18:25:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ironically enough, the blog saying that the media was hyping this out of proportion got linked by a story in Wired (http://www.wired.com/science/discoveries/news/2007/06/higgsboson)
I guess covering the coverage is how people will manage to report on nothing.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ironically enough, the blog saying that the media was hyping this out of proportion got linked by a story in Wired (<a href="http://www.wired.com/science/discoveries/news/2007/06/higgsboson" rel="nofollow">http://www.wired.com/science/discoveries/news/2007/06/higgsboson</a>)<br />
I guess covering the coverage is how people will manage to report on nothing.</p>
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		<title>By: alpinekat</title>
		<link>http://dorigo.wordpress.com/2007/06/05/the-higgs-rumor-spreads-again/#comment-48363</link>
		<dc:creator>alpinekat</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 12 Jun 2007 15:33:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks for the explanation!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for the explanation!</p>
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		<title>By: dorigo</title>
		<link>http://dorigo.wordpress.com/2007/06/05/the-higgs-rumor-spreads-again/#comment-47710</link>
		<dc:creator>dorigo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 09 Jun 2007 08:05:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Andy,
nice to hear from you! Where have you been ? I&#039;ll make a spires search.

To answer your questions, yes, D0 has made a preliminary Z0-&gt;bb signal public last year. It was about 1700 events, extracted by a technique using single and double tagging ratios in some fancy combination. You can see the signal discussed in http://dorigo.wordpress.com/2007/03/01/the-mssm-higgs-signal-buried-in-my-plot/ and links therein, or just go to the D0 public results page http://www-d0.fnal.gov/Run2Physics/WWW/results/higgs.htm (the result on Z-&gt;bb is down the list a bit).

I think the multijet sample used by D0 in their searches is collected by a trigger requiring three clusters, some Ht, and a global impact parameter condition at level 3. That, at least, was used in the bbb MSSM search made public last year. However that might have been improved recently.

Cheers,
T.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Andy,<br />
nice to hear from you! Where have you been ? I&#8217;ll make a spires search.</p>
<p>To answer your questions, yes, D0 has made a preliminary Z0-&gt;bb signal public last year. It was about 1700 events, extracted by a technique using single and double tagging ratios in some fancy combination. You can see the signal discussed in <a href="http://dorigo.wordpress.com/2007/03/01/the-mssm-higgs-signal-buried-in-my-plot/" rel="nofollow">http://dorigo.wordpress.com/2007/03/01/the-mssm-higgs-signal-buried-in-my-plot/</a> and links therein, or just go to the D0 public results page <a href="http://www-d0.fnal.gov/Run2Physics/WWW/results/higgs.htm" rel="nofollow">http://www-d0.fnal.gov/Run2Physics/WWW/results/higgs.htm</a> (the result on Z-&gt;bb is down the list a bit).</p>
<p>I think the multijet sample used by D0 in their searches is collected by a trigger requiring three clusters, some Ht, and a global impact parameter condition at level 3. That, at least, was used in the bbb MSSM search made public last year. However that might have been improved recently.</p>
<p>Cheers,<br />
T.</p>
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		<title>By: Andrew Foland</title>
		<link>http://dorigo.wordpress.com/2007/06/05/the-higgs-rumor-spreads-again/#comment-47660</link>
		<dc:creator>Andrew Foland</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 09 Jun 2007 02:15:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Tommaso! (It&#039;s been a while!)

1. Has D0 ever shown a Z-&gt;bb peak?
2. Are these types of events efficiently collected by straightforward high-pT triggers, or do they benefit substantially from b-triggers?

Thanks...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Tommaso! (It&#8217;s been a while!)</p>
<p>1. Has D0 ever shown a Z-&gt;bb peak?<br />
2. Are these types of events efficiently collected by straightforward high-pT triggers, or do they benefit substantially from b-triggers?</p>
<p>Thanks&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: dorigo</title>
		<link>http://dorigo.wordpress.com/2007/06/05/the-higgs-rumor-spreads-again/#comment-47640</link>
		<dc:creator>dorigo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 08 Jun 2007 23:29:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi kat,

well, I think that if the LHC does not provide an observation of a Higgs boson, nor any explanation of the inner workings of the mechanism responsible for electroweak symmetry breaking -or if you want, the origin of mass- then it would be really hard to put together a stance for a new machine. So it might still be worthwhile to look for something else, but we might not be able to do it...

To answer your question from another point of view, if the LHC fails to find a higgs boson it means it is not there, so we might need to start looking for something quite different.

Cheers,
T.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi kat,</p>
<p>well, I think that if the LHC does not provide an observation of a Higgs boson, nor any explanation of the inner workings of the mechanism responsible for electroweak symmetry breaking -or if you want, the origin of mass- then it would be really hard to put together a stance for a new machine. So it might still be worthwhile to look for something else, but we might not be able to do it&#8230;</p>
<p>To answer your question from another point of view, if the LHC fails to find a higgs boson it means it is not there, so we might need to start looking for something quite different.</p>
<p>Cheers,<br />
T.</p>
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		<title>By: alpinekat</title>
		<link>http://dorigo.wordpress.com/2007/06/05/the-higgs-rumor-spreads-again/#comment-47613</link>
		<dc:creator>alpinekat</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 08 Jun 2007 20:39:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>My understanding of high energy physics is only very basic, but I&#039;m just wondering...  If the Higgs doesn&#039;t show up at LHC, will it still be worthwhile to look for it?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My understanding of high energy physics is only very basic, but I&#8217;m just wondering&#8230;  If the Higgs doesn&#8217;t show up at LHC, will it still be worthwhile to look for it?</p>
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		<title>By: dorigo</title>
		<link>http://dorigo.wordpress.com/2007/06/05/the-higgs-rumor-spreads-again/#comment-47242</link>
		<dc:creator>dorigo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 07 Jun 2007 14:44:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Tony,

thank you for your interesting comment. 
To answer your question, I think that if a signal were seen, it would indeed be most likely attributed to a MSSM Higgs, because that theory is all the rage these days. That, despite the fact that one does not really know until one measures much more of the bosonic sector.

Cheers,
T.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Tony,</p>
<p>thank you for your interesting comment.<br />
To answer your question, I think that if a signal were seen, it would indeed be most likely attributed to a MSSM Higgs, because that theory is all the rage these days. That, despite the fact that one does not really know until one measures much more of the bosonic sector.</p>
<p>Cheers,<br />
T.</p>
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		<title>By: dorigo</title>
		<link>http://dorigo.wordpress.com/2007/06/05/the-higgs-rumor-spreads-again/#comment-47241</link>
		<dc:creator>dorigo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 07 Jun 2007 14:43:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Namit, I am unable to answer your question other than saying the following: at 180 GeV the limit D0 expected to put on tan beta was higher than 100 with 1/fb of data (see graph in http://dorigo.wordpress.com/2007/05/28/i-want-to-know-about-the-multi-b-excess-too/ ).

So I think that a significant signal with twice more data may only be possible with a tan(beta) of the same order of magnitude, or with a completely revolutionized analysis. The latter is not impossible, but I find it hard to believe that one can gain more than a factor of three in sensitivity from an already well-done analysis. So we would be looking at a signal compatible with a quite large tan(beta). But this assumes several things we do not know about the analysis.

Cheers,
T.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Namit, I am unable to answer your question other than saying the following: at 180 GeV the limit D0 expected to put on tan beta was higher than 100 with 1/fb of data (see graph in <a href="http://dorigo.wordpress.com/2007/05/28/i-want-to-know-about-the-multi-b-excess-too/" rel="nofollow">http://dorigo.wordpress.com/2007/05/28/i-want-to-know-about-the-multi-b-excess-too/</a> ).</p>
<p>So I think that a significant signal with twice more data may only be possible with a tan(beta) of the same order of magnitude, or with a completely revolutionized analysis. The latter is not impossible, but I find it hard to believe that one can gain more than a factor of three in sensitivity from an already well-done analysis. So we would be looking at a signal compatible with a quite large tan(beta). But this assumes several things we do not know about the analysis.</p>
<p>Cheers,<br />
T.</p>
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		<title>By: Tony Smith</title>
		<link>http://dorigo.wordpress.com/2007/06/05/the-higgs-rumor-spreads-again/#comment-47220</link>
		<dc:creator>Tony Smith</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 07 Jun 2007 13:33:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Tommaso, you said that you are &quot;... quite sure that D0 sought for MSSM H and not for still more exotic models, but they might set limits to any model provided the model predicts a cross section and a branching ratio for the observable phenomenon. ...&quot;. 

Assuming that the rumored D0 signal turns out to be a real 180 GeV Higgs, do you think that consideration will be given to non-supersymmetric interpretations 
such as 
the composite Tquark condensate model of Hashimoto, Tanabashi, and Yamawaki, 
who published in hep-ph/0311165 a prediction of a Higgs at 176-188 GeV ?  

They used  a T-quark condensate model in 8-dimensional spacetime with 4 compact dimensions. They said:  

&quot;... The idea of the top quark condensate explains naturally the large top mass of the order of the electroweak symmetry breaking (EWSB) scale. In ... this idea often called the &quot;top mode standard model&quot; (TMSM), the scalar bound state of tbar-t plays the role of the Higgs boson in the SM. ...
the SM gauge bosons and the third generation of quarks and leptons live in the ... 8-dimensional bulk, while the first and second generations are confined in the ... 4-dimensional Minkowski space-time ... 
... We predict masses of the top (m_t) and the Higgs (m_H) ... 
based on the renormalization group for the top Yukawa and Higgs quartic couplings with the compositeness conditions at the scale where the bulk top condenses ...
for ...[ Kaluza-Klein type ]... dimension... D=8 ... 
m_t = 172-175 GeV
and 
m_H=176-188 GeV ...&quot;.

My fear is the the supersymmetry industry will seize the MSSM possibility and generate so much hype that non-supersymmetric alternatives will be ignored in follow-up theoretical research and analysis, even though the Hashimoto-Tanabashi-Yamawaki model is very concrete and predicted the 180 GeV Higgs mass. 

Tony Smith

PS - I am posting a similar comment on the blog of Gordon Watts, because he is at D0. I hope that it is OK to do that.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Tommaso, you said that you are &#8220;&#8230; quite sure that D0 sought for MSSM H and not for still more exotic models, but they might set limits to any model provided the model predicts a cross section and a branching ratio for the observable phenomenon. &#8230;&#8221;. </p>
<p>Assuming that the rumored D0 signal turns out to be a real 180 GeV Higgs, do you think that consideration will be given to non-supersymmetric interpretations<br />
such as<br />
the composite Tquark condensate model of Hashimoto, Tanabashi, and Yamawaki,<br />
who published in hep-ph/0311165 a prediction of a Higgs at 176-188 GeV ?  </p>
<p>They used  a T-quark condensate model in 8-dimensional spacetime with 4 compact dimensions. They said:  </p>
<p>&#8220;&#8230; The idea of the top quark condensate explains naturally the large top mass of the order of the electroweak symmetry breaking (EWSB) scale. In &#8230; this idea often called the &#8220;top mode standard model&#8221; (TMSM), the scalar bound state of tbar-t plays the role of the Higgs boson in the SM. &#8230;<br />
the SM gauge bosons and the third generation of quarks and leptons live in the &#8230; 8-dimensional bulk, while the first and second generations are confined in the &#8230; 4-dimensional Minkowski space-time &#8230;<br />
&#8230; We predict masses of the top (m_t) and the Higgs (m_H) &#8230;<br />
based on the renormalization group for the top Yukawa and Higgs quartic couplings with the compositeness conditions at the scale where the bulk top condenses &#8230;<br />
for &#8230;[ Kaluza-Klein type ]&#8230; dimension&#8230; D=8 &#8230;<br />
m_t = 172-175 GeV<br />
and<br />
m_H=176-188 GeV &#8230;&#8221;.</p>
<p>My fear is the the supersymmetry industry will seize the MSSM possibility and generate so much hype that non-supersymmetric alternatives will be ignored in follow-up theoretical research and analysis, even though the Hashimoto-Tanabashi-Yamawaki model is very concrete and predicted the 180 GeV Higgs mass. </p>
<p>Tony Smith</p>
<p>PS &#8211; I am posting a similar comment on the blog of Gordon Watts, because he is at D0. I hope that it is OK to do that.</p>
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		<title>By: Namit Mahajan</title>
		<link>http://dorigo.wordpress.com/2007/06/05/the-higgs-rumor-spreads-again/#comment-47104</link>
		<dc:creator>Namit Mahajan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 07 Jun 2007 05:37:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Tommaso,
              A rough estimate shows that for 180 GeV m_A, to be consistent with the B_s --&gt; mu mu rate, tan(beta) should be 25 or so (of course a little here and there is certainly possible!).
Is this value of tan(beta) OK to be consistent with the required cross-section for the rumoured signal? Or, if I may ask, what is the lowest value of tan(beta) you expect to be consistent with the signal in question - from what I can guess, should be around 50 or so. Is that correct?
Best, Namit</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Tommaso,<br />
              A rough estimate shows that for 180 GeV m_A, to be consistent with the B_s &#8211;&gt; mu mu rate, tan(beta) should be 25 or so (of course a little here and there is certainly possible!).<br />
Is this value of tan(beta) OK to be consistent with the required cross-section for the rumoured signal? Or, if I may ask, what is the lowest value of tan(beta) you expect to be consistent with the signal in question &#8211; from what I can guess, should be around 50 or so. Is that correct?<br />
Best, Namit</p>
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