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		<title>By: Hadron collider: A particle of fate-NY Times &#171; FACT &#8211; Freedom Against Censorship Thailand</title>
		<link>http://dorigo.wordpress.com/2007/07/21/respectable-physicists-gone-crackpotty/#comment-117388</link>
		<dc:creator>Hadron collider: A particle of fate-NY Times &#171; FACT &#8211; Freedom Against Censorship Thailand</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 Dec 2009 14:05:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] should not and is not about to mortgage its investment to a coin toss. The theory was greeted on some blogs with comparisons to Harry Potter. But craziness has a fine history in a physics that talks [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Rune Hansen</title>
		<link>http://dorigo.wordpress.com/2007/07/21/respectable-physicists-gone-crackpotty/#comment-117370</link>
		<dc:creator>Rune Hansen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 29 Nov 2009 21:30:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ehmm, of course I read your blog on this matter. Hope you got the irony...

- Cheers</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ehmm, of course I read your blog on this matter. Hope you got the irony&#8230;</p>
<p>- Cheers</p>
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		<title>By: Rune Hansen</title>
		<link>http://dorigo.wordpress.com/2007/07/21/respectable-physicists-gone-crackpotty/#comment-117368</link>
		<dc:creator>Rune Hansen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 29 Nov 2009 19:30:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hey, dorigo

No, I didn&#039;t read your paper - but I most certainly will! I&#039;m looking forward to doing so.

Thanks for calling me a reasonable person (In despite of my bad English), but I still don&#039;t agree that he&#039;s damaging anything. I am sure that you are more into this stuff than I am and have studied the matter on a whole other level than I have.

But calling him dangorous is the same as calling a priest&#039;s work damaging to the congregation because he deviates from the holy text in the favour of &#039;scientific proofs&#039; - without turning down the point of origin.

I don&#039;t think any &#039;normal&#039; person with no knowledge of this matter will get affected by what he says. Heck, they wouldn&#039;t even read his essay. &#039;Hard science&#039; is nothing more - when it comes to the origin of the universe - than saying, &#039;What&#039;s plausible?&#039; And that&#039;s the exact point he makes in this rather ironic interview. &#039;The empirical proof&#039; is what he somehow makes fun of - without turning it down, that is.In my opinion.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hey, dorigo</p>
<p>No, I didn&#8217;t read your paper &#8211; but I most certainly will! I&#8217;m looking forward to doing so.</p>
<p>Thanks for calling me a reasonable person (In despite of my bad English), but I still don&#8217;t agree that he&#8217;s damaging anything. I am sure that you are more into this stuff than I am and have studied the matter on a whole other level than I have.</p>
<p>But calling him dangorous is the same as calling a priest&#8217;s work damaging to the congregation because he deviates from the holy text in the favour of &#8217;scientific proofs&#8217; &#8211; without turning down the point of origin.</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t think any &#8216;normal&#8217; person with no knowledge of this matter will get affected by what he says. Heck, they wouldn&#8217;t even read his essay. &#8216;Hard science&#8217; is nothing more &#8211; when it comes to the origin of the universe &#8211; than saying, &#8216;What&#8217;s plausible?&#8217; And that&#8217;s the exact point he makes in this rather ironic interview. &#8216;The empirical proof&#8217; is what he somehow makes fun of &#8211; without turning it down, that is.In my opinion.</p>
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		<title>By: dorigo</title>
		<link>http://dorigo.wordpress.com/2007/07/21/respectable-physicists-gone-crackpotty/#comment-117367</link>
		<dc:creator>dorigo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 29 Nov 2009 17:37:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Rune,

irony is a good thing, but it is not enough to justify any weird behaviour. I read all his papers -rather, you might not have read mine here above, which demonstrates I did go through one of them with care. And yes, I have seen the interview you point at. Nice funny chap, but that is exactly what I am arguing against. You seem open-minded enough about this to listen to my point.

When a person who has earned the respect of the field and the title of &quot;theoretical physicist&quot;, when one is a professor, teaches at a University, etcetera, when somebody with that rank lets go with these kinds of delusions of a &quot;god&quot; -as he clarifies in his interview this is not maybe a god with all the bells and whistles, but still a superior entity playing with us mice in the lab- he is damaging the image of serious science, because people who listen to that interview are justified if they start believing that he is a representative sample of theoretical physicists. Hell, not many get interviewed by CNN, NYT, etcetera these days. So he is damaging the field by projecting a improper image.
He is also damaging the field by mingling together the idea of a supernatural entity with hard science. People are justified if they look at the interview and conclude that scientists are nutcases and that they are not too different from theologists.

You look a reasonable person, so I cannot see how you do not see this.

Cheers,
T.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Rune,</p>
<p>irony is a good thing, but it is not enough to justify any weird behaviour. I read all his papers -rather, you might not have read mine here above, which demonstrates I did go through one of them with care. And yes, I have seen the interview you point at. Nice funny chap, but that is exactly what I am arguing against. You seem open-minded enough about this to listen to my point.</p>
<p>When a person who has earned the respect of the field and the title of &#8220;theoretical physicist&#8221;, when one is a professor, teaches at a University, etcetera, when somebody with that rank lets go with these kinds of delusions of a &#8220;god&#8221; -as he clarifies in his interview this is not maybe a god with all the bells and whistles, but still a superior entity playing with us mice in the lab- he is damaging the image of serious science, because people who listen to that interview are justified if they start believing that he is a representative sample of theoretical physicists. Hell, not many get interviewed by CNN, NYT, etcetera these days. So he is damaging the field by projecting a improper image.<br />
He is also damaging the field by mingling together the idea of a supernatural entity with hard science. People are justified if they look at the interview and conclude that scientists are nutcases and that they are not too different from theologists.</p>
<p>You look a reasonable person, so I cannot see how you do not see this.</p>
<p>Cheers,<br />
T.</p>
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		<title>By: Rune Hansen</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rune Hansen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 29 Nov 2009 16:32:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hej, dorigo

He always has the irony. I think he&#039;s reached a point where he just makes wild theories - but he&#039;s always argumenting. I don&#039;t think he&#039;s damaging anything. Take it or leave it. I don&#039;t say that I agree or anything but what&#039;s wrong with trying something new. Did you read his essay? It&#039;s really is interesting. Did you watch the interview? He is not certain about anything, he&#039;s having fun. Does he, himself, believe in the theory? Not really. But this is a test. I think people are overreacting. He&#039;s always been nuts but that&#039;s his condition.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hej, dorigo</p>
<p>He always has the irony. I think he&#8217;s reached a point where he just makes wild theories &#8211; but he&#8217;s always argumenting. I don&#8217;t think he&#8217;s damaging anything. Take it or leave it. I don&#8217;t say that I agree or anything but what&#8217;s wrong with trying something new. Did you read his essay? It&#8217;s really is interesting. Did you watch the interview? He is not certain about anything, he&#8217;s having fun. Does he, himself, believe in the theory? Not really. But this is a test. I think people are overreacting. He&#8217;s always been nuts but that&#8217;s his condition.</p>
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		<title>By: dorigo</title>
		<link>http://dorigo.wordpress.com/2007/07/21/respectable-physicists-gone-crackpotty/#comment-117362</link>
		<dc:creator>dorigo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 29 Nov 2009 15:01:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Rune, I do not know how respected he still is in Copenhagen, but I can tell you what is the consensus among particle theorists, and that is what I was discussing. In any case, he can be a perfectly good chap otherwise, but his last three or four papers (and a few interviews) are just plain nuts, and they are also damaging fundamental science. Passing the message that anything you can dream about can be good, testable science, is a bad idea, especially in our times.
Cheers,
T.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Rune, I do not know how respected he still is in Copenhagen, but I can tell you what is the consensus among particle theorists, and that is what I was discussing. In any case, he can be a perfectly good chap otherwise, but his last three or four papers (and a few interviews) are just plain nuts, and they are also damaging fundamental science. Passing the message that anything you can dream about can be good, testable science, is a bad idea, especially in our times.<br />
Cheers,<br />
T.</p>
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		<title>By: Rune Hansen</title>
		<link>http://dorigo.wordpress.com/2007/07/21/respectable-physicists-gone-crackpotty/#comment-117361</link>
		<dc:creator>Rune Hansen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 29 Nov 2009 14:50:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hey,

Hmm, that&#039;s not a consensus&#039; I&#039;ve heard about. I&#039;ve attended many of his classes at the University of Copenhagen, and even though I don&#039;t always follow his arguments or theories, I still think he&#039;s an inspiration.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hey,</p>
<p>Hmm, that&#8217;s not a consensus&#8217; I&#8217;ve heard about. I&#8217;ve attended many of his classes at the University of Copenhagen, and even though I don&#8217;t always follow his arguments or theories, I still think he&#8217;s an inspiration.</p>
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		<title>By: dorigo</title>
		<link>http://dorigo.wordpress.com/2007/07/21/respectable-physicists-gone-crackpotty/#comment-117360</link>
		<dc:creator>dorigo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 29 Nov 2009 13:04:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sorry Rune, what you say was true ten years ago, but now the general consensus is that indeed, he&#039;s fried his own brain.
Cheers,
T.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sorry Rune, what you say was true ten years ago, but now the general consensus is that indeed, he&#8217;s fried his own brain.<br />
Cheers,<br />
T.</p>
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		<title>By: Rune Hansen</title>
		<link>http://dorigo.wordpress.com/2007/07/21/respectable-physicists-gone-crackpotty/#comment-117359</link>
		<dc:creator>Rune Hansen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 29 Nov 2009 11:52:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>He&#039;s a highly regarded professor. He has said times that he is very skeptical toward his own theory - but, nonetheless, he thinks that it&#039;s an interesting theory. Here&#039;s a link:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZOI8byIV_GI</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>He&#8217;s a highly regarded professor. He has said times that he is very skeptical toward his own theory &#8211; but, nonetheless, he thinks that it&#8217;s an interesting theory. Here&#8217;s a link:</p>
<p><span style="text-align:center; display: block;"><a href="http://dorigo.wordpress.com/2007/07/21/respectable-physicists-gone-crackpotty/"><img src="http://img.youtube.com/vi/ZOI8byIV_GI/2.jpg" alt="" /></a></span></p>
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		<title>By: Anant Dixit</title>
		<link>http://dorigo.wordpress.com/2007/07/21/respectable-physicists-gone-crackpotty/#comment-117285</link>
		<dc:creator>Anant Dixit</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 20 Nov 2009 09:53:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I support Alejandro. If all say it doesn&#039;t hurt to pull a card out, let us pull a card out and get rid of the theory once and for all. But if the bad card does pop up, it will send shivers even if u shrug them off later and go for best of 3. :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I support Alejandro. If all say it doesn&#8217;t hurt to pull a card out, let us pull a card out and get rid of the theory once and for all. But if the bad card does pop up, it will send shivers even if u shrug them off later and go for best of 3. <img src='http://s.wordpress.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: The Collider, the Particle and a Theory About Fate &#171; Wingmaker&#39;s blog</title>
		<link>http://dorigo.wordpress.com/2007/07/21/respectable-physicists-gone-crackpotty/#comment-117275</link>
		<dc:creator>The Collider, the Particle and a Theory About Fate &#171; Wingmaker&#39;s blog</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Nov 2009 22:43:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] should not and is not about to mortgage its investment to a coin toss. The theory was greeted on some blogs with comparisons to Harry Potter. But craziness has a fine history in a physics that talks [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] should not and is not about to mortgage its investment to a coin toss. The theory was greeted on some blogs with comparisons to Harry Potter. But craziness has a fine history in a physics that talks [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Derek Sorensen &#187; God hates Higgs</title>
		<link>http://dorigo.wordpress.com/2007/07/21/respectable-physicists-gone-crackpotty/#comment-117266</link>
		<dc:creator>Derek Sorensen &#187; God hates Higgs</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Nov 2009 19:20:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] These guys might just be having a joke at everyone&#8217;s expense, although it appears that many in the Physics community aren&#8217;t laughing. While some physicists think this kind of speculation isn&#8217;t a problem, others describe the pair&#8217;s ideas as &#8216;embarrassing crackpottery&#8217;, or simply &#8216;crackpotty&#8217;. [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] These guys might just be having a joke at everyone&#8217;s expense, although it appears that many in the Physics community aren&#8217;t laughing. While some physicists think this kind of speculation isn&#8217;t a problem, others describe the pair&#8217;s ideas as &#8216;embarrassing crackpottery&#8217;, or simply &#8216;crackpotty&#8217;. [...]</p>
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		<title>By: dorigo</title>
		<link>http://dorigo.wordpress.com/2007/07/21/respectable-physicists-gone-crackpotty/#comment-117251</link>
		<dc:creator>dorigo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 16 Nov 2009 19:07:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Alejandro, no, it would not hurt, but it is just a silly thing to propose, with a multi-billion-dollar experiment. If the LHC has ten years to work, one day of operations costs about 3-4 million dollars. And they are proposing to decide whether to run or not based on a card turn. This is not physics, it is just idiocy.
Cheers,
T.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Alejandro, no, it would not hurt, but it is just a silly thing to propose, with a multi-billion-dollar experiment. If the LHC has ten years to work, one day of operations costs about 3-4 million dollars. And they are proposing to decide whether to run or not based on a card turn. This is not physics, it is just idiocy.<br />
Cheers,<br />
T.</p>
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		<title>By: Alejandro Walker</title>
		<link>http://dorigo.wordpress.com/2007/07/21/respectable-physicists-gone-crackpotty/#comment-117217</link>
		<dc:creator>Alejandro Walker</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Nov 2009 21:33:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Wouldn&#039;t hurt proving/discarding a time travelling theory pulling a card out of a deck would it?</description>
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		<title>By: Because it&#8217;s Worth Repeating &#171; Temporary Drawer</title>
		<link>http://dorigo.wordpress.com/2007/07/21/respectable-physicists-gone-crackpotty/#comment-117092</link>
		<dc:creator>Because it&#8217;s Worth Repeating &#171; Temporary Drawer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 30 Oct 2009 17:10:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] they cherry-on-top, for me, was this hoaxed-analysis. Which I thought was incredibly funny, until I went to bed and woke up the day after without being [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] they cherry-on-top, for me, was this hoaxed-analysis. Which I thought was incredibly funny, until I went to bed and woke up the day after without being [...]</p>
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		<title>By: St. Pete Skeptics Society &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Back&#8230;From the Future!</title>
		<link>http://dorigo.wordpress.com/2007/07/21/respectable-physicists-gone-crackpotty/#comment-117070</link>
		<dc:creator>St. Pete Skeptics Society &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Back&#8230;From the Future!</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 29 Oct 2009 05:44:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] lot of the buzz has been backlash and loud outcries, as if the article were crankish; however, the article itself [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] lot of the buzz has been backlash and loud outcries, as if the article were crankish; however, the article itself [...]</p>
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		<title>By: The Collider, the Particle and a Theory About Fate - Religious Education Forum</title>
		<link>http://dorigo.wordpress.com/2007/07/21/respectable-physicists-gone-crackpotty/#comment-117069</link>
		<dc:creator>The Collider, the Particle and a Theory About Fate - Religious Education Forum</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 29 Oct 2009 04:15:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] should not and is not about to mortgage its investment to a coin toss. The theory was greeted on some blogs with comparisons to Harry Potter. But craziness has a fine history in a physics that talks [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] should not and is not about to mortgage its investment to a coin toss. The theory was greeted on some blogs with comparisons to Harry Potter. But craziness has a fine history in a physics that talks [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Pachu</title>
		<link>http://dorigo.wordpress.com/2007/07/21/respectable-physicists-gone-crackpotty/#comment-117068</link>
		<dc:creator>Pachu</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 28 Oct 2009 19:39:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>wow, this thread jumps from date December 18, 2007 to October 12, 2009 ! 

we are seeing some Nielsen Ninomiya phenomena....</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>wow, this thread jumps from date December 18, 2007 to October 12, 2009 ! </p>
<p>we are seeing some Nielsen Ninomiya phenomena&#8230;.</p>
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		<title>By: dorigo</title>
		<link>http://dorigo.wordpress.com/2007/07/21/respectable-physicists-gone-crackpotty/#comment-117065</link>
		<dc:creator>dorigo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 27 Oct 2009 12:03:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>No problem. I have better things to do myself...

Please realize that this blog is inactive - my new blog is now at http://www.scientificblogging.com/quantum_diaries_survivor/ in case you (or others) are interested.
Cheers,
T.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>No problem. I have better things to do myself&#8230;</p>
<p>Please realize that this blog is inactive &#8211; my new blog is now at <a href="http://www.scientificblogging.com/quantum_diaries_survivor/" rel="nofollow">http://www.scientificblogging.com/quantum_diaries_survivor/</a> in case you (or others) are interested.<br />
Cheers,<br />
T.</p>
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		<title>By: PW</title>
		<link>http://dorigo.wordpress.com/2007/07/21/respectable-physicists-gone-crackpotty/#comment-117064</link>
		<dc:creator>PW</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 27 Oct 2009 11:59:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Just as I wrote that comment, my March 15th, 2010 self came back through a wormhole or something and tried to unplug my PC, but I was able to click the &quot;say it!&quot; button before he succeeded. Then he disappeared before I could find out what was going on. My fear is that this discussion will develop into a holy war of some sort, and he was trying to prevent that from happening at the outset.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Just as I wrote that comment, my March 15th, 2010 self came back through a wormhole or something and tried to unplug my PC, but I was able to click the &#8220;say it!&#8221; button before he succeeded. Then he disappeared before I could find out what was going on. My fear is that this discussion will develop into a holy war of some sort, and he was trying to prevent that from happening at the outset.</p>
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