Comments on: A normal country, a normal electoral campaign http://dorigo.wordpress.com/2008/02/29/a-normal-country-a-normal-electoral-campaign/ private thoughts of a physicist and chessplayer Thu, 24 Dec 2009 08:50:26 +0000 http://wordpress.com/ hourly 1 By: Amara http://dorigo.wordpress.com/2008/02/29/a-normal-country-a-normal-electoral-campaign/#comment-95099 Amara Thu, 13 Mar 2008 02:46:46 +0000 http://dorigo.wordpress.com/?p=1143#comment-95099 Uh huh! I think my book missed <a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jVCuyrPk7P4" rel="nofollow">another meaning of the corna gesture</a>...........(cornuto) Uh huh! I think my book missed another meaning of the corna gesture………..(cornuto)

]]> By: dorigo http://dorigo.wordpress.com/2008/02/29/a-normal-country-a-normal-electoral-campaign/#comment-94684 dorigo Thu, 06 Mar 2008 08:48:57 +0000 http://dorigo.wordpress.com/?p=1143#comment-94684 Hi Amara, UW. No, the middle finger up (second pic above) does mean the same thing in Italy and in the US. Too related to same features in the human body to have a different meaning across the atlantic. Cheers, T. Hi Amara, UW. No, the middle finger up (second pic above) does mean the same thing in Italy and in the US. Too related to same features in the human body to have a different meaning across the atlantic.

Cheers,
T.

]]> By: Amara http://dorigo.wordpress.com/2008/02/29/a-normal-country-a-normal-electoral-campaign/#comment-94664 Amara Thu, 06 Mar 2008 00:22:36 +0000 http://dorigo.wordpress.com/?p=1143#comment-94664 Thanks for using my pictures! BTW, One should never translate gestures directly across cultures, and so I looked for Berlusconi's 'dito medio' gesture too. But it is not in my _Senza Parole_ book, which made me wonder if this gesture is relatively new in Italy. Italians pick up the worst habits from the Americans (I wish they would pick up the better ones.. although maybe there aren't enough of those..), so I decided I understood the meaning of this gesture well enough. Correct me if I'm wrong, anyone here, please. Thanks for using my pictures! BTW, One should never translate gestures directly across cultures, and so I looked for Berlusconi’s ‘dito medio’ gesture too. But it is not in my _Senza Parole_ book, which made me wonder if this gesture is relatively new in Italy. Italians pick up the worst habits from the Americans (I wish they would pick up the better ones.. although maybe there aren’t enough of those..), so I decided I understood the meaning of this gesture well enough. Correct me if I’m wrong, anyone here, please.

]]> By: dorigo http://dorigo.wordpress.com/2008/02/29/a-normal-country-a-normal-electoral-campaign/#comment-94563 dorigo Mon, 03 Mar 2008 11:12:33 +0000 http://dorigo.wordpress.com/?p=1143#comment-94563 Outrageous indeed. Unspeakable feeling of normality! Really disturbing. Cheers, T. Outrageous indeed. Unspeakable feeling of normality! Really disturbing.

Cheers,
T.

]]> By: Amara http://dorigo.wordpress.com/2008/02/29/a-normal-country-a-normal-electoral-campaign/#comment-94558 Amara Mon, 03 Mar 2008 07:41:22 +0000 http://dorigo.wordpress.com/?p=1143#comment-94558 I think that this Veltroni video is outrageous... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TjnIXfXPdCg I think that this Veltroni video is outrageous…

]]> By: dorigo http://dorigo.wordpress.com/2008/02/29/a-normal-country-a-normal-electoral-campaign/#comment-94555 dorigo Mon, 03 Mar 2008 06:31:52 +0000 http://dorigo.wordpress.com/?p=1143#comment-94555 Franco, give me some examples about Veltroni, and keep in mind that if they did not reach national newspapers they are ineffective as a communication strategy. As for the spies of the Vatican, they are allowed to spy as far as I am concerned. Casini is the main horse on which they count to defend their values. Here is a translation: "I think that as long as right and left outdo each other to enroll great minds of Aida Yespica's caliber, there is no rising up our country's fate possible. I believe their interpretation of "pink shares" is "more b****es in the parliament" (and who can blame them?!". I do not concur. There are important differences between right and left. If you can't see them, I cannot help you. Cheers, T. Franco, give me some examples about Veltroni, and keep in mind that if they did not reach national newspapers they are ineffective as a communication strategy.
As for the spies of the Vatican, they are allowed to spy as far as I am concerned. Casini is the main horse on which they count to defend their values.

Here is a translation:
“I think that as long as right and left outdo each other to enroll great minds of Aida Yespica’s caliber, there is no rising up our country’s fate possible. I believe their interpretation of “pink shares” is “more b****es in the parliament” (and who can blame them?!”.

I do not concur. There are important differences between right and left. If you can’t see them, I cannot help you.

Cheers,
T.

]]> By: Franco http://dorigo.wordpress.com/2008/02/29/a-normal-country-a-normal-electoral-campaign/#comment-94509 Franco Sat, 01 Mar 2008 20:26:09 +0000 http://dorigo.wordpress.com/?p=1143#comment-94509 1. "Veltroni, the candidate of the Democratic Party, does not qualify since he hasn’t said or done anything outrageous yet." This is not completely true. Ask to anybody who lives in Rome. 2. "Pierferdinando Casini [...] has the support of the vatican" Actually, the Pope has his spies in any party, including PD and PDL. 3. The following is in italian due to my bad english (sorry, you can translate if you want). Penso che fino a quando la destra e la sinistra faranno a gara per candidare grandi menti del calibro di Aida Yespica, non c'è verso di risolevare le sorti del paese. Credo che la loro interpretazione di "quote rose" sia "più zoccole in parlamento" (chi può biasimarli?!). 1. “Veltroni, the candidate of the Democratic Party, does not qualify since he hasn’t said or done anything outrageous yet.”
This is not completely true. Ask to anybody who lives in Rome.

2. “Pierferdinando Casini [...] has the support of the vatican”
Actually, the Pope has his spies in any party, including PD and PDL.

3. The following is in italian due to my bad english (sorry, you can translate if you want). Penso che fino a quando la destra e la sinistra faranno a gara per candidare grandi menti del calibro di Aida Yespica, non c’è verso di risolevare le sorti del paese. Credo che la loro interpretazione di “quote rose” sia “più zoccole in parlamento” (chi può biasimarli?!).

]]> By: dorigo http://dorigo.wordpress.com/2008/02/29/a-normal-country-a-normal-electoral-campaign/#comment-94507 dorigo Sat, 01 Mar 2008 19:46:06 +0000 http://dorigo.wordpress.com/?p=1143#comment-94507 Hi Ed, thank you! I will post about somebody tomorrow... Cheers, T. Hi Ed,

thank you! I will post about somebody tomorrow…

Cheers,
T.

]]> By: dorigo http://dorigo.wordpress.com/2008/02/29/a-normal-country-a-normal-electoral-campaign/#comment-94506 dorigo Sat, 01 Mar 2008 19:44:42 +0000 http://dorigo.wordpress.com/?p=1143#comment-94506 Hi Coin, you are welcome... Yes, in 2006 Berlusconi lost the elections, but he continued to lead the opposition. He is just too powerful in his party since he bought it with his fresh money, so nobody dares to oppose him. Now he is again candidate as the next premier, with a "new" party (he changed the name, but the faces are the same). The only change from the coalition that won the 2001 elections and brought him to power is the loss of Pierferdinando Casini, leader of UDC - a centrist coalition who has the support of the vatican but probably cannot move more than 5-6% of votes. Cheers, T. Hi Coin,

you are welcome… Yes, in 2006 Berlusconi lost the elections, but he continued to lead the opposition. He is just too powerful in his party since he bought it with his fresh money, so nobody dares to oppose him. Now he is again candidate as the next premier, with a “new” party (he changed the name, but the faces are the same).

The only change from the coalition that won the 2001 elections and brought him to power is the loss of Pierferdinando Casini, leader of UDC – a centrist coalition who has the support of the vatican but probably cannot move more than 5-6% of votes.

Cheers,
T.

]]> By: Coin http://dorigo.wordpress.com/2008/02/29/a-normal-country-a-normal-electoral-campaign/#comment-94505 Coin Sat, 01 Mar 2008 18:33:39 +0000 http://dorigo.wordpress.com/?p=1143#comment-94505 Dorigo, please excuse my ignorance of Italian politics, but this is something that's been confusing me. Didn't Berlusconi get recently dethroned as President? How is it he's now showing up so centrally in Italian politics news? Does he still control his party, or hold some other post that allows him to continue to play puppetmaster (or at least think he does?). What is he running for now? Dorigo, please excuse my ignorance of Italian politics, but this is something that’s been confusing me. Didn’t Berlusconi get recently dethroned as President? How is it he’s now showing up so centrally in Italian politics news? Does he still control his party, or hold some other post that allows him to continue to play puppetmaster (or at least think he does?). What is he running for now?

]]> By: Ed Darrell http://dorigo.wordpress.com/2008/02/29/a-normal-country-a-normal-electoral-campaign/#comment-94502 Ed Darrell Sat, 01 Mar 2008 16:29:29 +0000 http://dorigo.wordpress.com/?p=1143#comment-94502 Normal, indeed! I hope you don't mind and I hope you get a couple of new readers; I've tagged you: http://timpanogos.wordpress.com/2008/03/01/tagged-by-myers-to-do-history-meet-james-madison/ Normal, indeed!

I hope you don’t mind and I hope you get a couple of new readers; I’ve tagged you:

http://timpanogos.wordpress.com/2008/03/01/tagged-by-myers-to-do-history-meet-james-madison/

]]> By: island http://dorigo.wordpress.com/2008/02/29/a-normal-country-a-normal-electoral-campaign/#comment-94488 island Sat, 01 Mar 2008 01:21:45 +0000 http://dorigo.wordpress.com/?p=1143#comment-94488 HA!... you guys add a whole new extension of extremes to my idea of "normal"... ;) HA!… you guys add a whole new extension of extremes to my idea of “normal”… ;)

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