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	<title>Comments on: Historical meme: seven facts on Wladimiro Dorigo</title>
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		<title>By: gattostanco</title>
		<link>http://dorigo.wordpress.com/2008/03/03/historical-meme-seven-facts-on-wladimiro-dorigo/#comment-97333</link>
		<dc:creator>gattostanco</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 17 May 2008 14:22:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>In italian, sorry.

Ho finalmente risposto. Non ho affrontato il tema, ma ho indugiato a cercare le risposte degli altri. Il post che ne è venuto fuori è gattostancamente svampito (ma in rete un link resta pur sempre un link) ed è ripiegato su coloro che hanno accolto il tuo meme (sperando di non aver tralasciato qualcuno): mi sono divertito di più così che non dilungandomi su qualche figura matusalemmica (tra l&#039;altro non sarei riuscito mai a identificare il mio personaggio storico &quot;preferito&quot; -anche se ho letto da Stefan che la blogcatena ha subito un cambiamento in questa definizione in uno dei passaggi precedenti-).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In italian, sorry.</p>
<p>Ho finalmente risposto. Non ho affrontato il tema, ma ho indugiato a cercare le risposte degli altri. Il post che ne è venuto fuori è gattostancamente svampito (ma in rete un link resta pur sempre un link) ed è ripiegato su coloro che hanno accolto il tuo meme (sperando di non aver tralasciato qualcuno): mi sono divertito di più così che non dilungandomi su qualche figura matusalemmica (tra l&#8217;altro non sarei riuscito mai a identificare il mio personaggio storico &#8220;preferito&#8221; -anche se ho letto da Stefan che la blogcatena ha subito un cambiamento in questa definizione in uno dei passaggi precedenti-).</p>
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		<title>By: Stefan Scherer</title>
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		<dc:creator>Stefan Scherer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 12 Mar 2008 02:04:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Don&#039;t know if (and how) trackbacks work, so here is a link:

&lt;a href=&quot;http://backreaction.blogspot.com/2008/03/historical-meme-seven-things-about.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Historical Meme: Seven Things about Richard Carrington&lt;/a&gt;

Cheers, Stefan</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Don&#8217;t know if (and how) trackbacks work, so here is a link:</p>
<p><a href="http://backreaction.blogspot.com/2008/03/historical-meme-seven-things-about.html" rel="nofollow">Historical Meme: Seven Things about Richard Carrington</a></p>
<p>Cheers, Stefan</p>
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		<title>By: dorigo</title>
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		<dc:creator>dorigo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 09 Mar 2008 18:20:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Fred, in the meantime check the comment of Sergio above (which had been caught by my spam filter, and I retrieved today).

Cheers,
T.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Fred, in the meantime check the comment of Sergio above (which had been caught by my spam filter, and I retrieved today).</p>
<p>Cheers,<br />
T.</p>
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		<title>By: Fred</title>
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		<dc:creator>Fred</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 06 Mar 2008 12:32:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>By all means, Tommaso. Certainly what you eventually dig up will be a find. Patience is always a virtue as the saying goes.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>By all means, Tommaso. Certainly what you eventually dig up will be a find. Patience is always a virtue as the saying goes.</p>
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		<title>By: dorigo</title>
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		<dc:creator>dorigo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 06 Mar 2008 08:43:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hello Fred,

your request obliges me, and I think I will try to satisfy it. Indeed, it is one of the purposes of this blog to keep a record for myself, not just to broadcast. If I can then kill two birds with one stone, then even better. I have many things I would like to write about that concern my father&#039;s work and life. However these things require some inspiration, and so I think you have to be patient, archaeological excavations are slow.

Cheers,
T.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hello Fred,</p>
<p>your request obliges me, and I think I will try to satisfy it. Indeed, it is one of the purposes of this blog to keep a record for myself, not just to broadcast. If I can then kill two birds with one stone, then even better. I have many things I would like to write about that concern my father&#8217;s work and life. However these things require some inspiration, and so I think you have to be patient, archaeological excavations are slow.</p>
<p>Cheers,<br />
T.</p>
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		<title>By: Fred</title>
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		<dc:creator>Fred</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 05 Mar 2008 15:42:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hello Tommaso,

Like Tony, the chances of reading any of the publications by your father are slim. This would be a nice opportunity to request some periodical articles from yourself collaborating with your father&#039;s works about the city of Venice. Maybe a short paragraph or so with graphics by your father and some relative comments from yourself would be grand. Most of us are not very intimate with the place where you grew up and now reside. After all, what do we know, Saint Mark&#039;s Square, some bridges, museums and art, the film festival, something to do in the past with the spice trade from the middle east, the city is sinking, and the gondoliers? I have some recollections from my visits there as a youth but they are growing fainter. I do remember not liking the darkness inside one of the cathedrals. We know you are consumed with many things but this would allow your father to give us a few of his insights.

Thank you, Fred</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hello Tommaso,</p>
<p>Like Tony, the chances of reading any of the publications by your father are slim. This would be a nice opportunity to request some periodical articles from yourself collaborating with your father&#8217;s works about the city of Venice. Maybe a short paragraph or so with graphics by your father and some relative comments from yourself would be grand. Most of us are not very intimate with the place where you grew up and now reside. After all, what do we know, Saint Mark&#8217;s Square, some bridges, museums and art, the film festival, something to do in the past with the spice trade from the middle east, the city is sinking, and the gondoliers? I have some recollections from my visits there as a youth but they are growing fainter. I do remember not liking the darkness inside one of the cathedrals. We know you are consumed with many things but this would allow your father to give us a few of his insights.</p>
<p>Thank you, Fred</p>
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		<title>By: A blogomeme &#171; An American Physics Student in England</title>
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		<dc:creator>A blogomeme &#171; An American Physics Student in England</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 04 Mar 2008 21:06:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] 04Mar08    Tommaso recently tagged me in a blog-meme. I&#8217;d like to play along, but unfortunately I don&#8217;t have much to contribute to the meme [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] 04Mar08    Tommaso recently tagged me in a blog-meme. I&#8217;d like to play along, but unfortunately I don&#8217;t have much to contribute to the meme [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Sergio Serra</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sergio Serra</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 04 Mar 2008 16:27:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Caro Tom,
trovo che le &quot;sette cose&quot; su tuo padre che hai scritto avrebbero dovuto essere almeno otto. I due volumi sull&#039;origine di Venezia (&quot;Venezia Origini. Fondamenti, ipotesi, metodi&quot;, Electa Editrice, Milano, 1983) sono a mio parere un&#039;opera fondamentale sull&#039;argomento, opera cui tutti coloro si sono successivamente occupati della storia di Venezia hanno dovuto far riferimento.
Credo sia anche un&#039;opera importante per capire come funziona il sistema universitario italiano. Wladimiro era, per formazione e per interessi, un &quot;antichista&quot;, esperto del periodo a cavallo della caduta dell&#039;Impero romano. Nei due volumi che ho citato si è occupato di tutti i problemi inerenti all&#039;origine di Venezia (storici, geografici, archeologici, urbanistici, climatologici) e quindi ha &quot;invaso&quot; territori che i docenti universitari di storia, geografia, archeologia, ecc. considerano proprietà personale. Ha quindi provocato reazioni di rigetto assolutamente sproporzionate e scomposte (potrei citarne molte, anche divertenti, ma lasciamo perdere). Per giunta, mentre la quasi totalità dei libri sull&#039;origine di Venezia è basata sulla lettura della bibliografia e sullo studio delle fonti, Wladimiro ha operato una ricerca sul campo (nella laguna di Venezia e in città) non indifferente: altra cosa che i cattedrattici italiani o non compiono mai (se sono storici) o non ammettono che compiano altri (se sono archeologi).
Per questo, ritengo che &quot;Venezia Origini&quot; non possa essere dimenticata quando si parla di Wladimiro Dorigo.
Ciao
Sergio

Thank you Sergio for this comment, which I find useful to translate here:

I find that the &quot;seven facts&quot; on your father you wrote should at least have been eight. The two volumes on the origins of Venice (&quot;Venezia Origini. Fondamenti, ipotesi, metodi&quot; [Origins of Venice. Foundations, hypotheses, methods&quot;, Electa Editrice, Milan 1983) are in my opinion a fundamental work on the matter, a work to which all those who later dealt with the history of Venice had to refer to. I think it is also an important work to understand how the italian university system works. Wladimiro was, for his formation and his interests, a studious of antiquity, expert of the period of the fall of the roman empire. In the two volumes I cited he dealt with all the problems related to the origin of Venice (historical, geographical, archeological, urbanistic, climatologic) and he thus &quot;invaded&quot; terrain that university professors of history, geography, archaeology, etc. consider private property. He so provoked reactions of rejection absolutely disproportionate and incoherent (I could cite several of them, even funny ones, but let&#039;s avoid that). Moreover, while almost the totality of books on the origins of Venice is based on reading bibliographies and studies of sources, Wladimiro operated a non trivial search in the field (in the Venice lagoon and in the city): another thing that italian academics never do (if they are historians) or do not allow others to do (if they are archaeologists). Because of that, I believe &quot;Venezia origini&quot; cannot be forgotten when one speaks of Wladimiro Dorigo.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Caro Tom,<br />
trovo che le &#8220;sette cose&#8221; su tuo padre che hai scritto avrebbero dovuto essere almeno otto. I due volumi sull&#8217;origine di Venezia (&#8220;Venezia Origini. Fondamenti, ipotesi, metodi&#8221;, Electa Editrice, Milano, 1983) sono a mio parere un&#8217;opera fondamentale sull&#8217;argomento, opera cui tutti coloro si sono successivamente occupati della storia di Venezia hanno dovuto far riferimento.<br />
Credo sia anche un&#8217;opera importante per capire come funziona il sistema universitario italiano. Wladimiro era, per formazione e per interessi, un &#8220;antichista&#8221;, esperto del periodo a cavallo della caduta dell&#8217;Impero romano. Nei due volumi che ho citato si è occupato di tutti i problemi inerenti all&#8217;origine di Venezia (storici, geografici, archeologici, urbanistici, climatologici) e quindi ha &#8220;invaso&#8221; territori che i docenti universitari di storia, geografia, archeologia, ecc. considerano proprietà personale. Ha quindi provocato reazioni di rigetto assolutamente sproporzionate e scomposte (potrei citarne molte, anche divertenti, ma lasciamo perdere). Per giunta, mentre la quasi totalità dei libri sull&#8217;origine di Venezia è basata sulla lettura della bibliografia e sullo studio delle fonti, Wladimiro ha operato una ricerca sul campo (nella laguna di Venezia e in città) non indifferente: altra cosa che i cattedrattici italiani o non compiono mai (se sono storici) o non ammettono che compiano altri (se sono archeologi).<br />
Per questo, ritengo che &#8220;Venezia Origini&#8221; non possa essere dimenticata quando si parla di Wladimiro Dorigo.<br />
Ciao<br />
Sergio</p>
<p>Thank you Sergio for this comment, which I find useful to translate here:</p>
<p>I find that the &#8220;seven facts&#8221; on your father you wrote should at least have been eight. The two volumes on the origins of Venice (&#8220;Venezia Origini. Fondamenti, ipotesi, metodi&#8221; [Origins of Venice. Foundations, hypotheses, methods&#8221;, Electa Editrice, Milan 1983) are in my opinion a fundamental work on the matter, a work to which all those who later dealt with the history of Venice had to refer to. I think it is also an important work to understand how the italian university system works. Wladimiro was, for his formation and his interests, a studious of antiquity, expert of the period of the fall of the roman empire. In the two volumes I cited he dealt with all the problems related to the origin of Venice (historical, geographical, archeological, urbanistic, climatologic) and he thus &#8220;invaded&#8221; terrain that university professors of history, geography, archaeology, etc. consider private property. He so provoked reactions of rejection absolutely disproportionate and incoherent (I could cite several of them, even funny ones, but let&#8217;s avoid that). Moreover, while almost the totality of books on the origins of Venice is based on reading bibliographies and studies of sources, Wladimiro operated a non trivial search in the field (in the Venice lagoon and in the city): another thing that italian academics never do (if they are historians) or do not allow others to do (if they are archaeologists). Because of that, I believe &#8220;Venezia origini&#8221; cannot be forgotten when one speaks of Wladimiro Dorigo.</p>
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		<title>By: dorigo</title>
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		<dc:creator>dorigo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 03 Mar 2008 22:06:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hello Jennifer, Arun, Kea, Stefan...

Yes, not the usual easy way to do away with a post. This one requires some research - unless one has just read a biography. The best of luck to all of you who wish to participate...

Cheers,
T.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hello Jennifer, Arun, Kea, Stefan&#8230;</p>
<p>Yes, not the usual easy way to do away with a post. This one requires some research &#8211; unless one has just read a biography. The best of luck to all of you who wish to participate&#8230;</p>
<p>Cheers,<br />
T.</p>
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		<title>By: dorigo</title>
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		<dc:creator>dorigo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 03 Mar 2008 22:03:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hello Tony,

no, not that much fiction in my family... 
About titles available in the US, admittedly very few. Only one major title was translated (by Praeger: Late Roman Painting&quot;). I know the Library of Congress has a few more of his books. But many are not easy to find - usually the copies printed were too few; even the last book, Venezia Romanica, only printed about 3000 copies, and is now practically exhausted.

However one thing might interest you: my father was a catholic in his young years, and he directed a political magazine, Questitalia, for ten years (1960-1970, when it had to be closed for economical problems). In Questitalia he discussed italian politics and high culture, and he was very knowledgeable on theological issues, on which he used to write and argue against vatican &quot;luminaries&quot;.

Cheers,
T.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hello Tony,</p>
<p>no, not that much fiction in my family&#8230;<br />
About titles available in the US, admittedly very few. Only one major title was translated (by Praeger: Late Roman Painting&#8221;). I know the Library of Congress has a few more of his books. But many are not easy to find &#8211; usually the copies printed were too few; even the last book, Venezia Romanica, only printed about 3000 copies, and is now practically exhausted.</p>
<p>However one thing might interest you: my father was a catholic in his young years, and he directed a political magazine, Questitalia, for ten years (1960-1970, when it had to be closed for economical problems). In Questitalia he discussed italian politics and high culture, and he was very knowledgeable on theological issues, on which he used to write and argue against vatican &#8220;luminaries&#8221;.</p>
<p>Cheers,<br />
T.</p>
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		<title>By: Stefan Scherer</title>
		<link>http://dorigo.wordpress.com/2008/03/03/historical-meme-seven-facts-on-wladimiro-dorigo/#comment-94576</link>
		<dc:creator>Stefan Scherer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 03 Mar 2008 20:19:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks for tagging us - puh, but this will give me a hard time...
You had a very remarkable father!

Best, Stefan</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for tagging us &#8211; puh, but this will give me a hard time&#8230;<br />
You had a very remarkable father!</p>
<p>Best, Stefan</p>
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		<title>By: what a great saying&#8230;. &#171; Andromeda*Art</title>
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		<dc:creator>what a great saying&#8230;. &#171; Andromeda*Art</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 03 Mar 2008 15:59:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] what a great&#160;saying&#8230;.  Posted on March 3, 2008 by andomeda*art   While wasting time researching the complexities of human existence and all of it&#8217;s nuisances, i came upon this blog. [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] what a great&nbsp;saying&#8230;.  Posted on March 3, 2008 by andomeda*art   While wasting time researching the complexities of human existence and all of it&#8217;s nuisances, i came upon this blog. [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Kea</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kea</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 03 Mar 2008 04:10:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Aw, gee, Tommaso, that&#039;s a hard one. But I guess I&#039;m at least obliged to pinch some stuff from google for a post....</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Aw, gee, Tommaso, that&#8217;s a hard one. But I guess I&#8217;m at least obliged to pinch some stuff from google for a post&#8230;.</p>
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		<title>By: Arun</title>
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		<dc:creator>Arun</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 03 Mar 2008 02:31:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Nice game! I will play, but it will some couple of days before I do anything.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Nice game! I will play, but it will some couple of days before I do anything.</p>
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		<title>By: Jennifer Ouellette</title>
		<link>http://dorigo.wordpress.com/2008/03/03/historical-meme-seven-facts-on-wladimiro-dorigo/#comment-94548</link>
		<dc:creator>Jennifer Ouellette</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 03 Mar 2008 01:36:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Cool! Much better than the usual meme-type thing. :) I&#039;ve been tagged by a couple of other memes, so I&#039;ll respond to all three sometime this week...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Cool! Much better than the usual meme-type thing. <img src='http://s.wordpress.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' />  I&#8217;ve been tagged by a couple of other memes, so I&#8217;ll respond to all three sometime this week&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Tony Smith</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tony Smith</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 03 Mar 2008 00:55:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Your father&#039;s books all look very interesting, but their availability here in the USA is limited (and my ability to read Italian is even more limited). 
The title &quot;La basilica di San Marco. Arte e simbologia&quot; is all that I know of one of his co-authored books, 
but the reference to &quot;simbologia&quot; reminds me that the protagonist of the popular novel/movie &quot;The Da Vinci Code&quot; and its prequel-book and sequel-movie (to be released in about a year) &quot;Angels and Demons&quot; is a Harvard Professor of Symbology.  
Further, the plot of &quot;Angels and Demons&quot; is basically a contest between CERN and the Vatican. 
Maybe your father (as simbologist) and you (as CERN physicist with strong opinions about the Vatican) are real-life mirrors of some aspects of those novels/movies ???

Did your father&#039;s book, or other works, say much about the symbolism of the geometry of the San Marco mosaics and the tessellated floor? 

Tony Smith</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Your father&#8217;s books all look very interesting, but their availability here in the USA is limited (and my ability to read Italian is even more limited).<br />
The title &#8220;La basilica di San Marco. Arte e simbologia&#8221; is all that I know of one of his co-authored books,<br />
but the reference to &#8220;simbologia&#8221; reminds me that the protagonist of the popular novel/movie &#8220;The Da Vinci Code&#8221; and its prequel-book and sequel-movie (to be released in about a year) &#8220;Angels and Demons&#8221; is a Harvard Professor of Symbology.<br />
Further, the plot of &#8220;Angels and Demons&#8221; is basically a contest between CERN and the Vatican.<br />
Maybe your father (as simbologist) and you (as CERN physicist with strong opinions about the Vatican) are real-life mirrors of some aspects of those novels/movies ???</p>
<p>Did your father&#8217;s book, or other works, say much about the symbolism of the geometry of the San Marco mosaics and the tessellated floor? </p>
<p>Tony Smith</p>
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