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	<title>Comments on: Neutrino Oscillations in Venice</title>
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		<title>By: Vincenzo Antonuccio-Delogu</title>
		<link>http://dorigo.wordpress.com/2008/04/16/neutrino-oscillations-in-venice/#comment-96451</link>
		<dc:creator>Vincenzo Antonuccio-Delogu</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 27 Apr 2008 20:31:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Wait a second: also the phase of the yearly signal is interesting. Maximum around June 2nd, minimum 6 months later. Exactly when the Earth is moving towards/away the Galactic center (see fig. 2 of their preprint arxiv:0804.2741)

Why should photomultipliers be in phase with the Earth&#039;s motion w.r.t the Galactic center?

Maybe we could agree that they see a signal compatible with something symmetrically distributed w.r.t. our Galaxy. 

My personal opionion is that their major problem is the lack of evidence from other passive detection experiments.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wait a second: also the phase of the yearly signal is interesting. Maximum around June 2nd, minimum 6 months later. Exactly when the Earth is moving towards/away the Galactic center (see fig. 2 of their preprint arxiv:0804.2741)</p>
<p>Why should photomultipliers be in phase with the Earth&#8217;s motion w.r.t the Galactic center?</p>
<p>Maybe we could agree that they see a signal compatible with something symmetrically distributed w.r.t. our Galaxy. </p>
<p>My personal opionion is that their major problem is the lack of evidence from other passive detection experiments.</p>
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		<title>By: dorigo</title>
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		<dc:creator>dorigo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 20 Apr 2008 11:11:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Patricia,

you can find more pictures of Palazzo Franchetti &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.istitutoveneto.it/iv/presentazione/sedenuova.htm&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;here&lt;/a&gt;...

Cheers,
T.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Patricia,</p>
<p>you can find more pictures of Palazzo Franchetti <a href="http://www.istitutoveneto.it/iv/presentazione/sedenuova.htm" rel="nofollow">here</a>&#8230;</p>
<p>Cheers,<br />
T.</p>
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		<title>By: patricia</title>
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		<dc:creator>patricia</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 20 Apr 2008 09:22:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m sorry I don&#039;t know much about oscillations, but I love the building in the picture. :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m sorry I don&#8217;t know much about oscillations, but I love the building in the picture. <img src='http://s.wordpress.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Joe Franchetti--USA</title>
		<link>http://dorigo.wordpress.com/2008/04/16/neutrino-oscillations-in-venice/#comment-96202</link>
		<dc:creator>Joe Franchetti--USA</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 18 Apr 2008 13:29:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>LONG LIVE&#039; FRANCHETTI</description>
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		<title>By: Итальянские физики заявили об обнаружении темной материи &#187; Архив &#187; KF-News.Ru: новости, news, it, games, авто новости, в России, в мире, деловые нов</title>
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		<dc:creator>Итальянские физики заявили об обнаружении темной материи &#187; Архив &#187; KF-News.Ru: новости, news, it, games, авто новости, в России, в мире, деловые нов</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 17 Apr 2008 16:06:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] физик Томмазо Дориго (Tommaso Dorigo) также сомневается в правильности интерпретации результатов, при этом [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] физик Томмазо Дориго (Tommaso Dorigo) также сомневается в правильности интерпретации результатов, при этом [...]</p>
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		<title>By: symmetry breaking &#187; Blog Archive &#187; DAMA-LIBRA presents new dark matter claim</title>
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		<dc:creator>symmetry breaking &#187; Blog Archive &#187; DAMA-LIBRA presents new dark matter claim</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 17 Apr 2008 06:39:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] More will come out over time but it doesn&#8217;t look like anybody is too convinced at this point that this will count as a discovery of dark matter particles. Tommaso Dorigo is skeptical. [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] More will come out over time but it doesn&#8217;t look like anybody is too convinced at this point that this will count as a discovery of dark matter particles. Tommaso Dorigo is skeptical. [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Not Even Wrong &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Dark Matter</title>
		<link>http://dorigo.wordpress.com/2008/04/16/neutrino-oscillations-in-venice/#comment-96143</link>
		<dc:creator>Not Even Wrong &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Dark Matter</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 16 Apr 2008 23:05:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] There are now reports from the talk by Tommaso Dorigo and Alexey Petrov, and the slides are here. Sounds like this experiment is definitely seeing a [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] There are now reports from the talk by Tommaso Dorigo and Alexey Petrov, and the slides are here. Sounds like this experiment is definitely seeing a [...]</p>
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		<title>By: dorigo</title>
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		<dc:creator>dorigo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 16 Apr 2008 18:45:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Wow, you are really well informed, Peter.

Yes, I did listen to the talk about the DAMA-LIBRA experiment.
And indeed, they claim to have a 8.2-sigma signal of a yearly oscillation in the signal yield. This is compatible with a dark matter candidate with an energy release in the 3-6 keV range. 

I must say I did not foresee to discuss that result, however, for two reasons. One is that the talk was poor - besides the bad English, the speaker presented far too heavy slides, and gave a rather sloppy presentation. She also did not allow questioners to speak, talking over them very aggressively as they asked for details of the efficiency curve - which rises steeply right in the region where a signal is seen - or about models that could fit the picture - the cut at 2 keV does not allow DAMA to discriminate different DM candidates. It made me mutter to my grad student, sitting next to me &quot;small experiments make cocky speakers&quot;.
The other reason is that I did not pay much attention to it. My fault, but when a 40&#039; talk is of poor quality my attention span quickly drops, and the wireless connection in the conference room unfortunately worked embarassingly well...

However, since you ask: yes, a signal is there. The fourier analysis shows a clear component with yearly frequency. I believe the result is on solid ground. I am more skeptical about the interpretation: yes, DM fits in. But I would not be too surprised if DAMA ended up having discovered a yearly variation in their photomultiplier response. 

Cheers,
T.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wow, you are really well informed, Peter.</p>
<p>Yes, I did listen to the talk about the DAMA-LIBRA experiment.<br />
And indeed, they claim to have a 8.2-sigma signal of a yearly oscillation in the signal yield. This is compatible with a dark matter candidate with an energy release in the 3-6 keV range. </p>
<p>I must say I did not foresee to discuss that result, however, for two reasons. One is that the talk was poor &#8211; besides the bad English, the speaker presented far too heavy slides, and gave a rather sloppy presentation. She also did not allow questioners to speak, talking over them very aggressively as they asked for details of the efficiency curve &#8211; which rises steeply right in the region where a signal is seen &#8211; or about models that could fit the picture &#8211; the cut at 2 keV does not allow DAMA to discriminate different DM candidates. It made me mutter to my grad student, sitting next to me &#8220;small experiments make cocky speakers&#8221;.<br />
The other reason is that I did not pay much attention to it. My fault, but when a 40&#8242; talk is of poor quality my attention span quickly drops, and the wireless connection in the conference room unfortunately worked embarassingly well&#8230;</p>
<p>However, since you ask: yes, a signal is there. The fourier analysis shows a clear component with yearly frequency. I believe the result is on solid ground. I am more skeptical about the interpretation: yes, DM fits in. But I would not be too surprised if DAMA ended up having discovered a yearly variation in their photomultiplier response. </p>
<p>Cheers,<br />
T.</p>
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		<title>By: Mendo</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mendo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 16 Apr 2008 18:38:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Peter, the DAMA-LIBRA talk is online here:

http://neutrino.pd.infn.it/NO-VE2008/Talks/Bernabei.ppt

From a very quick read it look like they still see the annual modulation in their event rate (slide 24) and at a higher significance than before. Plenty about the stability of the experiment - which might affect the signal. No comparison with the current limits from CDMS and XENON - although I think given they see the same modulation the discrepancy, for WIMPs at least, is still there.

Cheers,

Mendo.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Peter, the DAMA-LIBRA talk is online here:</p>
<p><a href="http://neutrino.pd.infn.it/NO-VE2008/Talks/Bernabei.ppt" rel="nofollow">http://neutrino.pd.infn.it/NO-VE2008/Talks/Bernabei.ppt</a></p>
<p>From a very quick read it look like they still see the annual modulation in their event rate (slide 24) and at a higher significance than before. Plenty about the stability of the experiment &#8211; which might affect the signal. No comparison with the current limits from CDMS and XENON &#8211; although I think given they see the same modulation the discrepancy, for WIMPs at least, is still there.</p>
<p>Cheers,</p>
<p>Mendo.</p>
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		<title>By: Peter Woit</title>
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		<dc:creator>Peter Woit</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 16 Apr 2008 17:20:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Tommaso,

There have been rumors that the DAMA-LIBRA experiment would be making claims of detection of dark matter in their talk at the conference today.  Any news about this?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Tommaso,</p>
<p>There have been rumors that the DAMA-LIBRA experiment would be making claims of detection of dark matter in their talk at the conference today.  Any news about this?</p>
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