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Ratzinger’s “Spe Salvi” November 30, 2007

Posted by dorigo in news, personal, politics, science.

I am not qualified to write a detailed post on this but, good lord, the latest verbal hemorrage of pope Ratzinger leaves me bewildered and nauseated. And stimulates an insolent post. 

I will be brief: I sure do not intend to read all the 77 pages of his enciclica “spe salvi” to discuss it here. I just mention a few sentences I found reported on today’s newspapers in Italy. Atheism has caused “the greatest cruelty and violations of justice”, according to Nazinger. Illuminism is a failed hope. Progress may lead to abysses of evil.

Sure, I am biased. I am uninformed, my theology is not up-to-date, and I’m stuck with Religion 111, which I never really digested. But I can smell a Rat when it’s on my desk. Progress is dangerous ? It sure is, like life itself on this planet ridden with wars declared in the name of gods. Atheism caused cruelties ? The purposeless cruelties of the christian crusaders have nothing to envy to what came after them, and actually set the tune for a millennium of hatred between different ethnicities. Nothing can save us, as beings and as a race. Progress, however, has the potential to improve our lives. God could save us if she existed, but she never did, and if there was one, she is long dead now.



1. rome - November 30, 2007

I totally agree with you. Unfortunately Ratzinger does not have a bit of illuminism of John Paul II. Your blog is very interesting. Ciao!

2. Randall - November 30, 2007

The problem with these kind of messages is that they could be even accepted if the had not come from one of the most important religious authority as the Pope is.

So that a personal consideration looks too much similar to a football transfer season to grab people and bring them under the “loveable” wings of Holy Church.



3. Fred - November 30, 2007

Now, now, San Tommaso aka Bias I,

You have simply misinterpreted the thoughts and intentions from the sanctioned script of The Vatican’s leading citizen. He is simply reiterating the teachings of Christ concerning forgiveness. If you recall, the Third Reich sought the blessings of the Roman Catholic Church so that they could reinvigorate the movement of The Crusades combined with the spirit and resolve of The Spanish Inquisition. If you recall, poor Benito was duped into believing that the cherubic-faced Adolf loved him for making a good plate of pasta. He was obviously being used as a conduit, with good intentions mind you, so that the Nazi’s could eradicate the evils of atheism, Judaism, and Mohammedanism by getting God to sign on the dotted line through the sponsorship of Pius XII. Fast forward to 2005 following John Paul II’s death when the Cardinals eerily stumbled upon a picture of a man dressed in a Nazi uniform. “Eureka! There is a God after all and we have been illuminated by an image of one of our own coincidentally dressed in retro 40’s style. Get out the ballots and stamp the results. We got our Joe. Now we can finally get on with the business of forgiving all of those allied forces for denying Hitler’s vision of destroying atheism, which has caused has caused the greatest cruelty and violations of justice! Round up the usual suspects, especially the scientists. And don’t forget, we’ll always have Rome.”

4. MikeM - November 30, 2007

I don’t know if this means anything one way or that other, but I would like to point out that the Vatican has one very technologically sophisticated website. Check it out. They are on top of their game.

Chicago Illinois

5. Guess Who - November 30, 2007

You may find consolation in Italian newspapers probably being the only ones which write about new papal encyclicals. My non-Italian, and I presume typical, reaction to your post is “Oh, so that old guy in Rome wrote something? Good for him, everybody should have a hobby.”

6. Fellow Earthling - December 1, 2007

#1 – Fred – you need professional help, badly. I’m serious.
#2 – Guess Who – well put!
#3 – I’m amazed that, in this day and age, anyone still pays attention to the irrelevant, divisive drivel that comes out of the Vatican. And for those out there who believe in God, consider what Mahatma Gandhi said: God has no religion.

7. dorigo - December 1, 2007

Rome, that’s right. John Paul II started off quite badly, but in the end he showed some openness and intelligence. Ratzinger has a long way ahead.

Randall, indeed the pope has a huge responsibility, since he is listened by a billion people around the world. That is why I think that he should avoid any kind of judgement on secular matters. But they just won’t understand…

Fred, you should be a fiction writer. Really, you have talent…

MikeM; yes, we should not forget that the Vatican is a state, and it has a lot of money also!

GW, that indeed gives me some consolation, but there are a billion people out there who do listen. Maybe 50,000,000 will actually read the darn 77 pages. That is not to be underestimated.

Fellow, same as above…

Cheers all,

8. Fred - December 1, 2007

Thank you very much, T.

Fellow Earthling, in the spirit of Samuel Clemens, I’ll accept your comment as a great compliment and dedicate to your good name the following from chapter one in ‘The Adventures of Huckleberry Finn.’

“Pretty soon I wanted to smoke, and asked the widow to let me. But she wouldn’t. She said it was a mean practice and wasn’t clean, and I must try to not do it any more. That is just the way with some people. They get down on a thing when they don’t know nothing about it. Here she was a-bothering about Moses, which was no kin to her, and no use to anybody, being gone, you see, yet finding a power of fault with me for doing a thing that had some good in it. And she took snuff, too; of course that was all right, because she done it herself.”

The End. Yours Truly. Huck Finn.

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